Here is more proof the UIA and Mark Reyland are not looking out for inventors interest but instead obtaining sponsorship fees

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The United Inventors Association and its Executive director Mark Reyland are demonstrating a total lack of responsibility when it comes to the well being of inventors. Recently they certified and sponsored a company that provides electronic time stamping and documentation and storage of Intellectual Properite {I.P.}, this will not stand up to the new First to file law as a way to secure your I.P. rights.

Just 6 months ago, Mark Reyland spoke out against a company that provides this same service but with the added benefit of a prior art search that cost much less than Tracklight { The company they now push on inventors that will not work for the securing of I.P. rights }.

But now suddenly and with new stricter laws He wants inventors to use this service that 6 months before he said doesn't work. Why ? Because this company Paid the fee for sponsorship and the right to post the UIA logo on its website. Now because Tracklight paid to play in the UIA playground Mark Reyland and the UIA wants inventors to put their trust and I.P. rights on the line for a service even professional I.P. agents and attorneys say wont protect them.

Here is a public LinkedIn comment on this subject from a very creditable Patent agent.

Mike Caldwell • I looked at Traklight, even had a few exchanges with their sales folk. They are simply a service for safely storing a document with a time stamp, nothing more. With FTF, this documentation is of no value. It would be dangerous to depend upon it for any sort of protection. They mention trade secrets, copyright, etc; I have no opinion regarding those. But for patent purposes, I don't know why anyone would use them.

Now here is Mark Reylands comment about online electronic documentation and time stamping as a way to protect your I.P. rights. Basically he says the same thing 6 months ago that Mr. Caldwell says.

Mark Reyland UIA blogspot quote

" Lastly, as far as we can tell there is little or no case law supporting any on line "vouching" of an idea. There are court tested ways for an inventor to properly document the idea and have it witnessed, but none of them electronic. That does not mean at some point in the future there won't be - but at this point electronic verifications of ideas and witnesses to those ideas have not stood the test of our legal system.

Again, I'm sure these folks mean no harm to an inventor, but the APP as defined here has a lot of reasons for an inventor with an unprotected idea not to use it - so be careful."

http://inventoropinion.blogspot.com/2012/09/phone-app-for-inventorsmaybe-not-such.html

 

Now with new FTF laws, its suddenly recommended and premoted.

Mark Reyland blogspot quote,

"The UIA staff has worked with our good friends at Traklight.com to help them mold the traklight tool into something inventors can use both safely and reliably. Traklight CEO Mary Juetten is a big supporter of the inventor community and of inventor education - so much so that she joined the UIA to become even more active. "

Here is Tracklights service for inventors,

" ID your IP is an easy to use, cost effective program designed by a team of legal professionals specializing in IP identification. The result: A report unique to your business that outlines your potential IP and what you need to do to protect it and succeed.
Proving dates and retrieving documents is critical. Whether date of invention, creation, use or publication. Or needing that time-stamped electronic contract verified by a 3rd party or holding that code in escrow.

Designed to store anything from official records to that cocktail napkin with the billion-dollar concept, Traklight’s IP Vault is a storage, organization and verification tool.Simply scan and upload your documents to Traklight’s secure site and we’ll time-stamp, store and protect them- giving you peace of mind that your ideas are safe and those critical dates can be verified by the click of a button. "

http://networkedblogs.com/JnojJ

 

Same thing as the Idea app that just 6 months ago he spoke against using, but without the added benefit of a Prior Art search provided by Idea App and cost the inventor 5 times more !

PAY TO PLAY IS THE UIA GAME !

IDEA APP DIDNT PAY BUT TRACKLIGHT DID, GET THE PICTURE NOW !

 

He had a new and only ever Director of Corporate Sponsorships certify and induct a company that does not work to protect inventors I.P. rights.

Joseph Fournier

Membership Director at United Inventors Association of America

Location

Belleville, Michigan (Greater Detroit Area)

Industry

Information Services

SHAME ! RISK INVENTORS FOR UIA PROFITS.

 

And the blog post recommendation is from,

Mark T. Reyland

Executive Director at United Inventors Association of America

Location

Washington, District Of Columbia (Washington D.C. Metro Area)

Industry Education Management

SHAME ! PROMOTING BAD SERVICES TO INVENTORS FOR PROFIT !

 

 

THESE 2 SO CALLED INVENTION PROFESSIONALS THAT REPRESENT AND ADVISE INVENTORS HAVE FAILED. NOT ONLY FAILED BUT KNOWINGLY PUTTING INVENTORS AT RISK FOR UIA PROFITS !

 

Both UIA blogspot threads will be posted below, because as Mark Reyland always does when caught with his pants around his ankles, he deletes and hides it. Before this story broke you could google UIA Tracklight and the link would appear. Now the direct link is gone and you find it under other links with the story below them.

 

Monday, March 18

Traklight.com Supports Inventor Education

The UIA staff has worked with our good friends at Traklight.com to help them mold the traklight tool into something inventors can use both safely and reliably. Traklight CEO Mary Juetten is a big supporter of the inventor community and of inventor education - so much so that she joined the UIA to become even more active.

Traklight CEO Mary Juetten is a recovering accountant who founded Traklight.com, while in law school, after hearing horror stories of inventors and entrepreneurs accidentally infringing on others' Intellectual Property and losing their own IP and businesses. Mary's mission is to educate& amp; raise awareness of IP business issues and empower inventors and business owners to succeed.

Intellectual Property is not just for scientists and engineers - EVERY business has IP. Have you identified and protected yours? This doesn't have to be an expensive, lengthy process. Trakight's ID YOUR IPmakes it easy to identify your IP today.

ID your IP is an easy to use, cost effective program designed by a team of legal professionals specializing in IP identification. The result: A report unique to your business that outlines your potential IP and what you need to do to protect it and succeed.
Proving dates and retrieving documents is critical. Whether date of invention, creation, use or publication. Or needing that time-stamped electronic contract verified by a 3rd party or holding that code in escrow.

Designed to store anything from official records to that cocktail napkin with the billion-dollar concept, Traklight’s IP Vault is a storage, organization and verification tool.Simply scan and upload your documents to Traklight’s secure site and we’ll time-stamp, store and protect them- giving you peace of mind that your ideas are safe and those critical dates can be verified by the click of a button.

5 THINGS Every business needs to know to Protect your IDEAs

Every Business has IP.Every business has potential Intellectual Property (IP) that needs identifying and protecting, even at the idea stage.IP is not just for tech businesses or inventors. Your name or product name, branding, and customer lists are all valuable IP assets and need protection.

Patents are not the only Intellectual Property Protection. Many inventors understand patent requirements and process. However, patents are not a necessity in every case and trade secrets should be considered for protection. Do not forget to consider the need to research any names for trademark purposes.

Not everyone will sign a NDA. We have all heard that everyone should sign a Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA) but some potential investors may not be able to sign.Consider giving enough information to explain your concept but not enough to have someone replicate your entire process or product.

Mailing an idea to yourself does not work. Envelopes can be steamed open or mailed empty with ideas inserted later. Your brilliant idea needs to be uploaded and time-stamped by an independent 3^rdparty, like a notary.

You don’t know what you have until it’s gone. When starting a business, growing or hiring, or raising capital, the first step is to know what you have by identifying all your valuable IP assets. Don’t wait until it’s too late, especially with secrets, the time is now to discover what your valuable IP.

Applying for funding or pitching is daunting and difficult. Starting a business can be intimidating. You don’t know what you don’t know. Traklight makes it easy to get in the know about your intellectual property (IP) and protect your ideas. Started by entrepreneurs, for entrepreneurs, Traklight transforms a once confusing, expensive process into easy, affordable steps, saving time and money with attorneys later.

Try it Today! Just APPLY the coupon code UIASPR13 at www.traklight.com as follows:

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Posted byMark Reylandat9:38 AM

 

 

Wednesday, September 12

Phone App for inventors?...Maybe not such a good idea

Recently I saw an APP for inventors being talked about on a local inventor group. We have apps for almost anything these days so having one for inventor should not surprise us. However, when it comes to the inventing industry an inventor should look closely at the long term side effects of using these flashy new tools to help them on their journey.

Everyone has great ideas for a new book, movie, product or service, but most inventors or writers aren’t sure how to research, protect and/or pursue their idea. (Our App) helps to document, protect and develop your ideas.

Idea Creators or Inventors and Writers can submit their ideas and supporting materials (scanned sketches, images of prototypes, audio/video recordings, etc.) through (Our App) for protecting, developing and displaying them. You may solicit the support of co-creators (inventors or writers) or witnesses for your ideas. When an idea is submitted, the co-creators or witnesses associated with it receive an email instantly with the capability to vouch for the idea. You can put an idea for sale and view details of prospective investors who have shown interest. You can also search the world to see if your idea or writing has been done before and receive a PDF report of it (where, when, and by whom) via email.

Let me be clear here - I'm sure the people who developed this APP are great guys and gals, and I'm sure they mean no harm, but the APP as described here is really dangerous for an inventor to use.

I'll explain. Obviously there are considerations with sending unprotected ideas to anyone , much less to an app where you have no real idea who is on the other end and what actually happens to the information.

Second, Inventing is not a team sport. Multiple people addressing issues and adding content to an idea can make for co-inventors in the eyes of patent law. Co-inventors enjoy 100% rights to an invention and are free to do whatever they like with a patent regardless of the other co-inventors. This is a slippery slope when you are dealing with people you know, but a truly dangerous slope when you are sharing rights with a person you don't know - and a hidden time bomb when you think of the people who have "contributed" that will come out of the woodwork to claim their prize if the product makes it to the market.

Third, because you have no idea who is on the other end of this app, it's likely going to constitute public disclosure and that can cost you the ability to patent the idea the moment you hit send.

Lastly, as far as we can tell there is little or no case law supporting any on line "vouching" of an idea. There are court tested ways for an inventor to properly document the idea and have it witnessed, but none of them electronic. That does not mean at some point in the future there won't be - but at this point electronic verifications of ideas and witnesses to those ideas have not stood the test of our legal system.

Again, I'm sure these folks mean no harm to an inventor, but the APP as defined here has a lot of reasons for an inventor with an unprotected idea not to use it - so be careful.

For additional information about Mark Reyland and the UIA check out these links:

http://www.uiausa.org/the-executive-director

https://twitter.com/TheInventorGuy

http://www.inventoropinion.com/

http://www.blogger.com/profile/04168197719376330440

http://www.startupnation.com/business-blogs/index.php/2012/12/06/inventors-uia-mark-reyland-driving-positive-change-in-the-invention-industry/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXe3BB4y2DY

http://www.marktreyland.com/

 

MARK REYLAND post a made up profanity ridden email and did not edit the profanity, to have this thread deleted. Do you know of any professional that would publicly post such profanity.

Well here is the UIA executive Director at his finest in public. Trying to make Quirky look bad by posting misinformation. When questioned about his comments, he doesn't respond. But when proof that he is wrong is posted, he totally blows up to have the thread deleted and the comments proving him wrong gone.

Read the comments by .
Bernie
Linkedin Member
John Young
And of course Mark Reyland.

We will show you all the comments to Mark Reylands comments, but you can read whats left of the thread in its edited version here, which was cleaned up for Mark Reyland by the group owner. Start reading with Mark Reylands Comments and dont miss even one of them.

This is Who industry professionals are doing business with, no wonder our industry is the way it is !

http://www.linkedin.com/groups/QUIRKY-136317.S.208426050?qid=0220f3a7-e7be-4554-b169-01f7ccfeb3a7&trk=group_most_popular_guest-0-b-ttl&goback=%2Egmp_136317

Here is the actual comment that Mark Posted publicly to provoke the deletion of the comments against him, and it worked, they are gone now. And in no way did John Young or anyone he associates with sent that email he claims is from them. It was for the sole purpose of having that thread or comments deleted.

Mark T.

Mark T. R. •Do you want to see what John Young and his friends do behind the scenes? here is an email I received from them just this morning as retaliation for this thread - they have hidden behind this email for several years now. These are dangerous people and you should report any contact with them (John Young, Troy Robison, and Derek Pater) to the police.

From: Zorro Bull [mailto:zorro_pitbull@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:08 AM
To: mark@uiausa.org;
Subject: SUSAN HOGAN

Well we talked to your daughter and ex Susan. According to them you're the Bi-Polar one and a looser full of yourself. You were also a PC's of SHIT FATHER TO ALL YOU'RE CHILDREN.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

We also here Debra's divorcing you're MORON FAT ASS. Someone else is CHARMING her in Kentucky :) Hopefully it's someone that will take care of her needs and LOVE her since you cant . LIMP DICK :)- Yes we were told you're a LIMP DICK. Because you're to FUCKING FAT from all the CHEESEBURGERS & DIET SODA you slam down in you're DARK BASEMENT OFFICE and UIA road trips.

Why don't you stop eating the burgers and loose some weight ASSHOLE. Or MAYBE invent a contraption to stretch your Lonely LITTLE LIMP DICK PECKER. You seem to do pretty good with your tongue explaining the inventor industry. Why didn't you use it on her, Oh we no because you love to lap on Roger's butt hole :)

You're CUMMING to the end of the road MORON. The only women that will be left in your life will be the pictures in you're DARK BASEMENT.

Google Mark Reyland and his LIMP DICK. You will have a chuckle

55 minutes ago

 

Now here is the whole thread as it was before it was cleaned up for him. Its long, but just look for the names above commenter's.

 

Suzanne

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I have decided to submit my product to QUIRKY. Any input from members as to what I need to 'look out' for? Any and all input will be greatly appreciated. Tips and/or suggestions about anything to do? I already have Patent Pending status.

Thank you,
Suzanne Baker

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Al

Al G. •As you will find when you sign up and fill out the forms: If your invention is produced and marketed by Quirky they will own all the rights. They do promise to pay you for all the sales. They didn't disclose the percentage. If you have the means to follow through with your patent you may be better off going it alone.

1 month ago

Bernie

Bernie D. •Since it's a public release you might want to keep an eye out for the copycats, there's not much you could do though. Do expect some 'contributions' to your design and don't be concerned with accepting the suggestions of others, it does not reduce your potential income. Look around yourself and see if you can contribute to other designs as you can also earn that way..

Study some of the posts of others for advice on what a good post is before doing your own. I like to make out my posts in Word so I can just copy and paste later. I also organize my pictures in numerical order to eliminate any confusion during the post.

The community aspect is great and 'friend' others.

Look me up there as BernieD and let me know when you post! Good luck!

1 month ago

Mark T.

Mark T. R. •Quirky is a crowd sourcing site-that means many people put their ideas up on the site and quirky selects from the crowd. In Quirky's case they also allow for crowd input to your idea. This practice is a breeding grownd for co-inventor claims later, should the idea ever make it to market.

So serious is this issue that many major manufacturers have started using what they refer to as a "Quirky Clause" (that is just the name people use, there are several sites like Quirky out there with the same effect) what the clause says is that you must disclose the use of a crowd sourcing site to them. If you do not, the contract is invalid.

Depending on the intellectual property position of your idea at the time it was posted on the site, they may, or may, not license your product from you based on the fact that you used a crowd sourcing site.

Additionally, posting unprotected ideas anyplace on the internet (including YouTube) is by all opinions considered public disclosure and instantly invalidates your international patent rights, while giving you only 12 months to secure your domestic rights. This may be a big issue later if you are dealing with a global company or you fail to secure your domestic rights within that one year period.

I'm not saying don't use them, just that you should use all services within our industry knowing all the facts going in.

1 month ago

Luis

Luis M. •Is a good way to put your idea out there, but you need to be willing to advertise with the Quirky community, and be ready to wait a while for the full process if your idea gets chosen for development, it takes about 5 to 6 months to be completed. Best of luck to you and I will be happy to vote and give my insight on the idea !!

1 month ago

Bernie

Bernie D. •Quirky might just be the site that gets more people off their "butts" and doing something with their ideas. Luis Millan is correct, nothing happens overnight. Even if your product is chosen they can still drop or delay it's manufacture for any period of design.

Some products are placed on Quirky in patent pending status. Just like any public disclosure it does start that 1 year clock ticking, perhaps some use it as a potential marketing plan in accordance with a provisional or even a utility patent. Mark T Reyland is correct, international patents are invalidated. The vast majority of individual inventors would never consider an international application.

As Al Gold states you are effectively transferring your rights to them in posting an idea on their site. From my personal investigation on 2 released products on Quirky, payments seem to be in the 15% range of sales. One of those is the very successful Pivot Power.

Should you do a Quirky with all your ideas, possibly not. Do you have some that you have no way of manufacturing or selling, by all means. Are they better than all of the invention promotion firms? Quite possibly so.

I have released a few on there and none have been selected yet, so don't get your hopes up. But trying is better than doing absolutely nothing and you don't have to mortgage anything but you do pay a fee of $10 per idea. Right now they're having a special, submit any number if ideas for $99 (Quirky Pro) for one year. You can even 'push' one idea in front of them if you're a Quirky Pro.

If you're clever, you can also submit suggestions to the ideas of others and earn a smaller percentage if that product eventually sells. Another method of participating is collaborating with others on ideas.

I read all of the rules and regulations on the site and participated in the suggestion process for a few weeks before I submitted anything. It's just like anything else, don't go in blind.

1 month ago

Linkedin

Linkedin M. •There are some myths here about Quirky.

First, Quirky is for ideas, to be products, they are not asking for patented, manufacture ready products. Its just a place to take your IDEA and post it. Some inventors that have patented products use it as a Hail Mary when all other attempts to license or market it failed.

Now co inventor-ship, this is NEVER an issue at Quirky because they don't use the patent system, they make it sell it license it, so no one can patent it after that. And if for some reason they do patent it, they will deal with the issue.

And if you don't use or get picked at Quirky you can still file a PPA or NPA before the end of the year of the time you disclosed it, if you do and DONT use any of the public suggestions in your design, co inventor is not an issue. If you DO use another person's suggestion and the suggestion cant be mistaken in any other way than the way its written and you use it in that design as written and described, then you by law have to make an attempt to contact them and list them as co inventor. And if you do list them as co inventor you can still have them Assign the patent to you, if they wont, just don't use their design, change it. If they assign it to you they relinquish any monetary rights.

So if you already have a PPA or NPA there is 0 risk of co inventor listing, because you already have your design document and If I'm a Quirky member and suggest you use a widget in your design and you already have that widget in the design, I'm no co inventor no matter how hard you try.

So use it, for $10 how can you go wrong, if they don't want it, you still have 1 year to decide if its worth investing in for a product they didn't pick. And the community can help you with feedback if they like it or not, if most don't and you get no votes, why go on with it, unless you know something they don't. !

Lets not paint Quirky as bad, its not, what is bad is companies that will take that same invention that quirky rejected and the community didn't like and charge you for all the wonderful things they do for a product that will go no where anyway.

Manufacturers don't care if you used Quirky or even you had stolen the idea as long as you pay the manufacturing cost to have it made by them, why would they care.

If the manufacture is a potential licensee then it may be different, but if your patent attorney is aware it was on Quirky PRIOR to your PPA or NPA he or she will determine if there could be any potential claims of co inventor, if they know everything and give you the green light, show the potential licensee there findings and if they like your product and the attorney sees no possibility of anyone being a co inventor and shows to the licensee, do you think they wont take it ?????

Stay clear of any company that wants you to pay them to do the work and have no risk in it. They profit from you whether you win or loose and they will reject no invention submitted. And do you think they would reject it if you disclosed to them it was posted on Quirky ?????

And if anyone leads you to them they are just as bad and stay clear of them.

Good luck, if Quirky is not right for you, try Edison Nation, they get products licensed and for a chance of $25 ! "

If we are going to educate inventors. lets lay out all the books, not just the ones we want them to read !!!

1 month ago

Bryan

Bryan B. •I was on Quirky for a little while, but did not like having to ask people to vote for my idea. I even seen one of my unprotected idea on someones else's group page. I stopped after that.took took up self help in networking. Edison Nation seems to be the best bet if you want to go that way.

1 month ago

Mark T.

Mark T. R. •"LinkedIn Member" you are mixing up several parts of the process. Companies who are licensing do in fact care if you have used crowd sourcing sites like Quirky. In fact, a growing number of them are indemnifying themselves against it.

Invention submission companies could care less, except for the fact that when they try to license your idea to a major manufacturer they run into the same issue.

Inventing is not a team sport, and the protections afforded inventors are not designed to accommodate it as a team sport. That doesn't mean you can never collaborate on an invention, just that systems like crowd sourcing can leave you in a very vulnerable position down the road.

You are correct about one thing though - Quirky and Edison Nation are the only two companies in the entire industry that force an inventor to assign patent rights. That means even when the contracts have expired the inventor has lost any right they had to the patents.

I'm curious, why the fake profile? You obviously created it just to rebut this issue - do you work for Quirky? I mean, hey, if you are going to ask someone to read a book at least let them know who the author is.

1 month ago

Suzanne

Suzanne B. •WOW guys! I knew I could count on you to step up. A lot of really good input and a lot I have to 'digest' before making my final decision. My product is really quite simple and I failed to mention that I have a working prototype, so I am past that stage. Since I don't want to start a business (I am retired), I am willing to take a small piece of the pie.

There is currently a product on the market that produces a similar end result. It's on DRTV and selling well. My product should have been first and I would be retired on my own island! Even though there is already something out there, mine is definitely better (I have heard that from everyone that has seen it through an NDA). If there could never be two similar products we would all be wearing uniforms! Maybe that's not a very good analogy, but I'm sure you get what I mean.

I appreciate all your input. You have all been very helpful and I thank you. I'll definitely let you know the 'when' of my decision and ask for your votes :)

If any of you want to send me your NDA, I will be happy to share my product with you in order to get more personalized input before I submit to Quirky or EN. Send to suzieb13@gmail.com. Feel free to call me at 321 298-0877 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 321 298-0877 FREE end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 321 298-0877 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 321 298-0877 FREE end_of_the_skype_highlighting FREE end_of_the_skype_highlighting.

Suzie Baker

1 month ago

Bryan

Bryan B. •You go Suzie, and I wish you luck! I'm still going over a few things I have done it the past. Especially posting thing on youtube. Never crossed my mind what is going on accross that Pond?

1 month ago

Brian R.

Brian R. R. •Hello members. I am not posting any more comments in this post between Mark Reyland and Linkedin M. Each has clearly stated their position and I am not facilitating banter between "feuding members".

1 month ago

Bernie

Bernie D. •There's much, much more transparency in the process at Quirky. That's for sure a vote in it's favor. They live stream their voting sessions and you can comment during that process. Though you can watch it fail there too.

1 month ago

James

James F. •Hi Suzie. If your product is one that is better than an existing product already selling in the market, then it would be potentially very attractive to licencors. If you have an idea for product and don't know where to go or have a lot of money to spend on the invention process, then Quirky.com is a great platform to pitch your idea.

Based on your description of your invention and the feedback you have received from others who have seen it, I suggest you focus your energy and time on finding a suitable partner to help you bring your product to market. There are a number of methods and avenues you can utilize to get your product in front of consumers that can provide you with the best results. I suggest you explore those options first before you submit your product to Quirky. If you would like any assistance with this, I would be happy to take a look at your product.

1 month ago

Mick

Mick L. •Crowd funding continues to be a game changer in the invention community because of one simple fact - it costs money to develop and commercialize an idea. But really, is there that much difference between CF, QVC Sprouts,Shark Tank, et al?

Consider an inventor often hits that proverbial brick wall because their 'idea' represents just one fraction of what it may take for their idea to be commercially successful. That's where the collaborative takes a foothold. To believe those collaborative parties should be ignored within the scope of intellectual rights is absurd.

1 month ago

Sean

Sean L. •You give up a lot when you submit to Quirky. You will lose ownership of intellectual property, and get a smallish royalty, but then better something than nothing if this is your only option...

28 days ago

James

James F. •@Mick - There are too many in the invention community that steer inventors away from the collaborative nature of Blue Ocean strategies. I think Suzie's product is a great example of an item that doesn't belong in the Red Ocean for a traditional shark fest. Quircky's got lots of teeth.

28 days ago

Suzanne

Suzanne B. •Another WOW..... lots of good information again. Thanks to all and with much more research, I have decided not to submit to QUIRKY at this time. I am going to continue on my quest to find the right avenue to get my product licensed. I just have to find the right person/company that sees the potential for making money with my product.

I think Sean's comment "if this is your only option" hit home. I don't think it's my only option.

Again, my thanks to the contributions from the group.

Suzie

28 days ago

Mick

Mick L. •James, you nailed that one. Red Ocean is locked into point A to point B with a bunch of hoops to jump through. Blue Ocean people take a triangular approach. Remember the story about inventor Otto Rohwedder? He was the gentlemen who had a brilliant idea of SLICED BREAD, the literal benchmark that most ideas and inventions are measured by.

Most people are not aware it took another invention, the pop-up toaster by Charles Strite, and an early adopter, Wonder Bread for sliced bread to reach mass market appeal. A great example of the 3 corners of the economic triangle. Its a very simple illustration of how game theory works and the role of ‘complimentors’ when it comes to introducing new science into uncontested market space.

Apple Inc. used the same business model when launching many of its products. Beats running around playing the numbers game. Its all about finding the early adopter who's willing to embrace a strategic role. Even the topic of licensing should be avoided, some of them will run for the hills if they have a "Blue Ocean" solution in mind.

28 days ago

Wayne

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Suzie

28 days ago

Alexander

Alexander O. •Ideas to manufacture are chosen almost completely arbitrarily and it would take a very long time to see any money, and if you see any money after all the deductions from royalties for Quirky and the community you will make very little money. You would be better off to pitch directly to a company that can make it for you.

16 days ago

Bernie

Bernie D. •There was a comment earlier that Quirky doesn't participate in the patent process, actually they do. The Pivot Power has a design (USD667795) and a utility (US8262399) patent issued. The patents are assigned to Quirky with the 'idea' person listed as well as some Quirky personnel as inventors.

16 days ago

Bernie

Bernie D. •The previous comment on the payout from Quirky as being very low would seem to be inaccurate to me. Based on my own calculations regarding the sales of the (very successful) Pivot Power indicate a 15% royalty level to the 'idea' person. Both of the numbers are displayed on the site. The Quirky top dog was on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno and quoted that they have paid out over $1 million in fees on that one alone.

Although depending on your contribution to the individual project you may only see pennies if anything at all. No matter it's better to be the idea person!

16 days ago

Alexander

Alexander O. •To increase the probability of being chosen it is strongly suggested that you either hire an artist or do it yourself if you have the talent and render a full color, 3D computer image of your product.

15 days ago

Alexander

Alexander O. •I asked a bunch of insiders some months back about the highest payouts ever. It was about 100K. Whatever fees the Quirky stooge was talking about is not being paid to the ideator. Moreover, pivot is an aberration, most of the products they do are failures.

15 days ago

Bernie

Bernie D. •Here are the links specifying the sales and the amounts paid out. I am most definitely not a Quirky stooge, you can see my full name here. I am not employed by them or in any way paid by them.

Both of these links prove your 'insiders' statement is at the very least, incorrect and most likely not based in fact. I have had three ideas under consideration by them and NONE have been selected. I could choose to be disrespectful though I would rather not be painted as such.

http://www.quirky.com/users/26599 and the other at
http://www.quirky.com/products/44-Pivot-Power-Flexible-Power-Strip

Success should never be painted as an 'aberration'.

15 days ago

Alexander

Alexander O. •So, let me understand this, the most successful product to date since Quirky started operating in 2009 has netted the inventor less than 300k. Basically 100k per year. Considering that sales ramp up with time and exposure the insiders were right on the money when they told me about 100k last year.

Let's hear how much Quirky management made in the same time period.

15 days ago

Bernie

Bernie D. •Changing your answer now. I quote " I asked a bunch of insiders some months back about the highest payouts ever. It was about 100K. "

Last weeks payout to the inventor of Pivot Power was $49,098.98. He doesn't have to wait for 3 months, he can withdraw the payments at his leisure anytime there's a balance over $75. All this for a $10 submission fee. Again this is running at an approximate 15% royalty rate based on retail sales.

Check the site out for yourself, it's all there and fully transparent.

15 days ago

Alexander

Alexander O. •$10 submission fee is not the value of the IP. Quirky is essentially a lottery system where $10 is the lottery ticket price. Except with a real lottery when you win all the money (minus the taxes) is yours. With Quirky you pay the ticket price, then you pay with your time, and some pay artists to render their drawings and if you win you get the privilege of giving a large portion of what you won to Quirky and people who vote what color your product should be. Don't be lazy and go pitch your product directly to vendors.

15 days ago

Bernie

Bernie D. •Alexander,
I see you seek to comment on the $10 fee and not the recent payment of $49K. I never said that $10 was the price of the IP, but you also twisted that around to suit your need. Many people don't have the time or the connections to meet with people and as many have also found that their ideas have been stolen by ruthless companies. The majority of companies will not sign NDA's leading inventors to trust the vendor/manufacturer community even less.

That fact that they keep 70% of the profits and only 30% is shared with community does not really bother me. Do you really have the time, energy or cash to put oneself through the rigours of patenting, copyrighting, protecting, safeguarding, building, distributing and fighting for their invention to come to life on your own? Can you justify this aspect? Most royalty agreements are from 3 to 5% on wholesale, not retail.

Do you know of anyone paying a 15% royalty (forever) on retail? Apparently you are not aware that people submit photographs of pencil sketches, there is no requirement for professional quality input.

On average it may take me from 4 to 8 hours to prepare a submission. Though I model the parts in SolidWorks and render them as well. I have received comments from the community of the quality though as I mentioned earlier, they haven't picked any of my ideas yet.

You quote how much you give up to those to Quirky, of course like any other deal you may find for anything there are caveats. They are fully disclosed and everything is transparent.

You're incorrect again. The ideators share is not reduced by the contributions of others, they are offered a piece of the pie. Should someone suggest a suitable improvement to your idea and quirky uses that in the final design, they get a share of the pool, your ideators share is not reduced.

Lazy? For $99 for one year of quirky pro I can submit any number of ideas to quirky for one year. If you have a lot of ideas sitting in your head you may find a way to justify that too. Yes, some are ridiculous though I don't laugh. I may have a better education in manufacturing than that of the submitter. But it is one more person finally off their asses doing 'something' with their ideas in a manner that they may find affordable.

You're not doing anyone any favors on here when you post argument using inaccurate information.

Lastly, and I do mean lastly as I won't waste any more of my time correcting you I will post one of my favorite comments found on the internet:

Tactics that make you seem untrustworthy

You may be making yourself appear untrustworthy if you employ euphemisms, try to spin information to serve your own interests or share only the details that support your position, writes Rodger Dean Duncan. You can avoid these pitfalls and protect your credibility by communicating in a clear, honest manner, he writes. Using your position to force people to agree with you can also hurt your credibility, he notes. "Whatever the reasons, pulling rank is never effective in engaging peoples' heads, hearts, and hopes." copied from Fast Company online 11/13/2012

How many of those mistakes have you made in this conversation alone?

15 days ago

Alexander

Alexander O. •p.s. The 50K appears ridiculously small in comparison to the hype you are spouting here.

15 days ago

Alexander

Alexander O. •So, Bernie since you seem to be such a stickler for exact numbers perhaps you care to provide some accounting for your earlier contention "they have paid out over $1 million in fees on that one alone." Care to provide any proof, other than your hearsay? And how was the money distributed? You seem to contradict yourself.

Also to correct someone else's earlier statement about having 1 year to file a patent application after Quirky disclosure. The U.S. has now adopted international conventions. It is now the first to file, not the first to invent who gets priority rights. If you don't care about your IP, by all means give it up to Quirky.

15 days ago

linkedin

linkedin M. •Alexander,

With the new first to file law coming, seeing how you know everything about Quirky and everything else. Will prior art now be patentable ? Is this one of the new law changes ?. If you publicly disclose an invention, do you no longer have 1 year to file a patent from the date of disclosure ?

If the answer is no, then its safer to disclose it publicly and get 1 year to file a patent. Or you can race and pay money for an idea you don't even know will be wanted and get a patent, if you beat the other guy.

So knowing this isn't it wiser both financially and protecting the race to the USPTO to just disclose it publicly. Then no one but you will be granted the patent except you, if its patentable by publicly disclosing it.and within 1 year ?

And if you say, they see your invention and can design around it, isn't this true with patented inventions, isn't it called design patent.

And if I post it on Quirky, isn't that a record of public disclosure ? And if Quirky chooses it and they want a patent, aren't I listed as an inventor ? And on royalties, is 2 to 5% better from a company rather than 8% + from Quirky ?

And with your vast knowledge about Quirky and IP can you do this for 10 bucks ?

If not you may want to quiet down some, You don't know what you speak of. You are just spouting off " I think this, I think that, Bernie has linked the proof, I haven't seen 1 fact from you.

14 days ago

Bernie

Bernie D. •Alexander,

Your most recent comment suggesting that I drink some sort of koolaid must be referencing the catastrophe from 1978 where Jim Jones and followers drank it and (possibly unknowingly) committed suicide to show support for him. This statement alone shows you have no respect for people and I would believe you would be difficult to work with.

Continuing with the Jones tragedy, ...that all changed when Jones received word that an exposé was about to be printed about him. The exposé article included interviews with ex-members. The night before the article was to be printed Jim Jones and several hundred Peoples Temple members flew to Guyana and moved into the Jonestown compound. We all know what progressed. It was the potential of the disclosure of evidence that forced Jim Jones hand. But honesty is not a quality that should lead to mass suicide or murder. Not even one.

Rather than be made a fool he took a tragic way out though he took many irrational and misguided people with him.

Also, not to slight the popular Kool-Aid brand, it was actually Flavor-Aid.

You quote $50K as being small and in order to make that point you neglected to include the fact that it was his earnings for the prior WEEK (as in 7 days prior) as I had stated. I have seen WEEKS where he has earned $10K, $15K and WEEKS where he has earned $400.

Mind you each WEEK, every 7 days, he can withdraw those funds as he sees fit and under his control. Is there anyone who would object to those earnings for a simple idea? By the way this ideator is in his early 20's and if I remember correctly is attending a school for design. I imagine his earnings will pay for his college education and perhaps be able to start him up in a business for himself.

Ahh, the American dream realized.

I did state that the Quirky top dog was on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno who is well known for supporting inventors though he does use some for humor. The links to the show with the Quirky top dog making that $1 million statement are below. The first link has the $1 million dollar statement so there is no contradiction as you again seem to wrongly suggest.

http://www.nbc.com/the-tonight-show/video/quirky-products-part-1/n31988http://www.nbc.com/the-tonight-show/video/quirky-products-part-2/n31989

As I mentioned previously the monies are available for withdrawal to the participants any time the balance is over $75. No one on Quirky needs to wait for a 3 month period as is the norm for standard licensing deals. There was no contradiction, just your suggestion or allusion of such, again.

You are the one using hearsay, you have not presented any evidence other than your statements which according to law, once written (even here) can be used in court. One rule lawyers always refer to, "never reduce anything to writing for it can be used against you".

Since you mention a legal statement such as ‘hearsay’, please stay‘on point’ with your responses so people would be able discern where it is you go off track to make your points.

Continued...... See next post.

14 days ago

Bernie

Bernie D. •Alexander, (Continued)

You will not name any of your “Quirky Insiders” because you have none. I have no doubt that any and every Quirky employee is bound by an NDA. None of them would risk making a statement such as that. It is tantamount to disclosing secret business practices and risk giving away those to the competition.

Also to correct your most recent patent law changes comment, the change actually takes place March 16, 2013. Not a consolation by any means.

Here’s another of my favorite quotes, "Several excuses are always less convincing than one." --Aldous Huxley, British author

By the way, thanks for taking my earlier bait. Do you have any more excuses? Also, I can give you the name of someone who attempted to do the same to me as you are now? His arguments were not based on facts as well. He messaged me privately to put an end to our disagreement so as not to admit his wrongs. I posted that message to further embarrass him. He then admitted on LinkedIn he was wrong, though he also attempted to say “this was all in fun”.

By the way the legal definition of fraud is: “would a rational person have made a different decision or taken a different action if the information used to make that decision was accurate?” OK, somewhat condensed.

Is Quirky for everyone, no. Even I have ideas that I intend to pursue in other manners. The general public in seeking information should be able to use facts as well as truthful and accurate statements based on fact to make their decisions. Anything else is misleading and can lead to fraud charges.

So let’s say you have a business and you advise your clients that Quirky is no good at all and you provide a better service at any price, then they later find out. They would be able to sue you for fraud. These false statements you made here would also hurt you as you could be painted as predatory as well as fraudulent. They could also suggest that even when arguments in a public forum proved you to be incorrect you still argued with falsehoods and misdirection and never produced any facts like I have when challenged for them.

14 days ago

linkedin

linkedin M. •Way to go Bernie and very well put !

14 days ago

Alexander

Alexander O. •I notice, Bernie, you have evaded the charge that your statement about "over a million dollars" was based on nothing. I have no interest in wading through your prolix posts since you like so much seeing yourself spout on and on and on your propaganda. You still don't answer what percentage of pivot revenues have gone to quirky versus the inventor because you know the ratio is pretty shameful.

It would be interesting to find out how much revenue quirky is deriving from making and selling products versus collecting fees from hapless dupes. Quirky feels zero obligation to review most of the submissions. Yet, they take the money anyway.

14 days ago

Is it possible to get back to Tips & Suggestions?

14 days ago

Bernie

Bernie D. •That's quite all right with me Alexander. It's everyone else who might read your falsehoods that I'm really trying to reach.

Though just to prove you wrong one more time, I hope that someone else that might listen to the video would confirm that the Quirky top dog made that statement.

Also to answer your question about the profit distribution, please see this link, it's all spelled out there though you might have to do a little math. Again, fully transparent.

14 days ago

linkedin

linkedin M. •Mick,

I see this discussion very differently, you have Alexander downing Quirky with no facts and has insider information that cant be proven.

Then you have Bernie trying to set the record strait with facts and links.

So if it wasn't for Bernie's effort to set the facts straight, everyone would believe Alexander that has none.

So if it was left as it was after Alexanders barrage of comments, inventors would be very misinformed. Sometime this debating is necessary to prove who is just beating his own drum.

14 days ago

Alexander

Alexander O. •The U.S. Has a New Patent Law

Taylor P. Evans
IP and Technology Developments - October 2011

October 25, 2011
President Obama signed the Patent Reform Act of 2011 into law on September 16, 2011. Below is a summary of selected provisions of the Act.

First to File

Effective March 2013, the U.S. patent system will change from a first-to-invent to a first-to-file system. This means that if two people make the same invention and there has been no public disclosure of the invention, and both describe and claim that invention in separate patent applications, the inventor that filed his patent application first gets the patent. Thus, filing early will be more critical than ever before. Companies should consider filing a provisional application for an invention as early as possible, possibly followed by additional provisional applications as the technology of an invention develops, with a non-provisional application within a year of the first provisional application. The first-to-file provision will have no effect on existing patents or applications filed before March 2013.

14 days ago

Alexander

Alexander O. •Two weeks left, hurry, join up Quirky and spill your guts out.

14 days ago

linkedin

linkedin M. •Thank you Alexander, you just proved my point, Disclose it and there is no race to start !

" This means that if two people make the same invention and there has been no public disclosure of the invention, "

14 days ago

Alexander

Alexander O. •Obviously you can't read. If there is a public disclosure before a patent application is filed all your rights are null and void. If the U.S. law is in sync with the European law that is how it is in Europe and most other places. You must now file a PPA, at least, to get any protection.

14 days ago

linkedin

linkedin M. •OK where does it say that, or is this more of your " insider Information " It dosent even say the words " Null and Void "

14 days ago

Alexander

Alexander O. •If you you don't know what "null and void" expression means then you need to do some reading. Get advice from a patent attorney, and he will tell you that starting in 2 weeks if you disclose your invention on Quirky you will have voided your rights to patent protection. The only way to avoid this is by filing an application with the U.S.PTO. or the PCT application before you put anything on Quirky.

14 days ago

linkedin

linkedin M. •You know I have better things to do than proving you wrong.

http://www.fastcompany.com/1822846/untangling-real-meaning-first-file-patents

Who gets the patent? Under the pre-AIA first-to-invent rules, Company A can get the patent because its employee invented first. However, under the new first-to-file system, things will be more complicated.

If Company A does not make any public disclosures regarding the invention before the August filing, Company B can get the patent by virtue of its earlier filing date. This is exactly what would be expected given the term “first-to-file.”

On the other hand, suppose that Company A describes the invention in detail (or in more formal terms, provides a disclosure) at a trade show, before a disclosure or a filing by the second company. In this case, Company A can get the patent even though it filed after Company B. This isn’t at all what you’d expect in a system termed “first-to-file.”

Why does this happen? The pre-filing disclosure by the first company starts the clock ticking on a one-year “grace period” that, under the AIA’s first-to-file rules, is not only protective with respect to Company A's U.S. rights to the invention, but also removes the ability of anyone else, including Company B, to obtain such rights. Thus, an early disclosure can be beneficial with respect to U.S. patent rights.

14 days ago

linkedin

linkedin M. •Here Alexander take a few minutes and learn what you are talking about before you start. If I let your comment go and didn't challenge it, all these inventors would be misinformed because of YOU spouting off.

http://www.rothwellfigg.com/pdf/IP360-Dahlgren_on_first_to_file_myth.pdf

Crickets, crickets, Alexander is best for you !

14 days ago

Vicky

Vicky L. •imho. there is a huge market niche for inventor sites. Obviously there are a lot of creative types who have great ideas and need a place to submit them. Quirky has good points and points it needs to improve on. 1. its cheap for anyone to add an idea . Thats cool. One problem I found while using the Q, even though I submitted an idea first, it does not mean that it will get chosen. If ideator number 2 comes along and submits the same idea after me, and they get chosen, then they get the credit. it is up to the First Ideator to watch the site for similar ideas that are submitted so that you can flag it for the staff members. Quirky does not promise to watch the site for you. Another minus can be that there are soooo many ideas being submitted all day long on the Q, that no idea gets the attention that it deserves. Its a first come first serve basis, so if ten people add their ideas after you, your idea gets shoved to the bottom of the stack and bye bye ten bucks. The only thing you are promised for your ten dollar entry is well hmmmm..... you get to see your idea on their site.... and if your lucky enough to be chosen ... like me (3x) your idea even though you are Crowned Quirky Inventor, could be dropped on a dime for undisclosed reasons to you, or even given away to a prior submitter even though the other guys idea was drawn different or was a completely different product. So, no promises ever. And transparency is not their middle name. All these things were done to me without warning or involvement at all.

Q is a privately held company and does what it wants without responsibility towards you.

Q decides what is best for its business period. Every inventor for himself. Good luck. I made some fun Cartoons to help inventors get started on Quirky.com check them out for yourself! if you find them helpful, i would appreciate a thank you in the cartoon thread. ps. i still love quirky <3 http://www.quirky.com/forums/topic/8263

13 days ago

Bernie

Bernie D. •100 Likes Vicky! The disconnected bodies in the cartoon are a hoot!

13 days ago

Bernie

Bernie D. •I didn't but then I did. Thank you! Actually I've been on there for a little while, I think I'm hip to it?

12 days ago

Mark T.

Mark T. R. •Quirky is a crowd sourcing site -that means many people put their ideas up on the site and quirky selects from the crowd. In Quirky's case they also allow for crowd input to your idea. This practice is a breeding grownd for co-inventor claims later, should the idea ever make it to market.

So serious is this issue that many major manufacturers have started using what they refer to as a "Quirky Clause" (that is just the name people use, there are several sites like Quirky out there with the same effect) what the clause says is that you must disclose the use of a crowd sourcing site to them. If you do not, the contract is invalid.

Depending on the intellectual property position of your idea at the time it was posted on the site, they may, or may, not license your product from you based on the fact that you used a crowd sourcing site.

Additionally, posting unprotected ideas anyplace on the internet (including YouTube) is by all opinions considered public disclosure and instantly invalidates your international patent rights, while giving you only 12 months to secure your domestic rights. This may be an issue later if you are dealing with a global company or you fail to secure your domestic rights within that one year period.

I'm not saying don't use them, just that you should use all services within our industry knowing all the facts going in.

12 days ago

Vicky

Vicky L. •knowledge is power.

12 days ago

Bernie

Bernie D. •Disclosure on Quirky is public disclosure no different than any other type of public disclosure with regard to ideas whether you intend them to be patented or not. If you fail to inform any prospective licensee or the patent office when making your patent application of any public disclosure you yourself may be sued. The patent office can invalidate your patent for misrepresentation.

I'll bet Mark T Reyland cannot name one company or manufacturer that has such a named "Quirky Clause".

12 days ago

Vicky

Vicky L. •i have learned to give people the benefit of the doubt until proven differently.

12 days ago

Mark T.

Mark T. R. •Mr. Daraz, I think you and I have a little different vantage point.

The fact is more and more companies are protecting themselves from the possibility of future co-inventor claims that may result from these sites. It's not just because of Quirky, it's the crowd sourcing process itself.

Like I said, it doesn't mean don't use them. But being a good steward of the inventor trust would mean they should tell you their system could result in this issue and that posting unprotected ideas on these sites is public disclosure and has an effect on your patent rights.

12 days ago

Bernie

Bernie D. •I only post items that I know are true and factual and those that I can back up with facts. You insult the intelligence of others seeking true and factual information. You stated in your post that " I'm not saying don't use them, just that you should use all services within our industry knowing all the facts going in." I just challenged you to give us one name of one company or manufacturer that has a "Quirky Clause". You stated that they refer to it as such. So that anyone reading your post would know it is a "fact" as you state. You didn't state it was confidential. So, I would like to know one, just one company or manufacturer that has a "Quirky Clause". For my patent applications, my attorney always asks me if I had publicly disclosed anything to do with my application. Because of course as I'm sure you aware, that starts the clock ticking.

I'll keep my eyes open for a co-inventor claim against Quirky. Personally I think it is one of the worlds biggest generators of prior art and it is openly and severely cutting into the interests of invention promotion companies. But that won't stop me from submitting anything I want to post on there, after I do my own due diligence of course.

12 days ago

Linkedin

Linkedin M. •After waiting 11 days now for an answer to Bernie's question above and still seeing Mr Reyland posting here in these 11 days, I can only assume hes avoiding the question Bernie asked.

So I would like to prove why Mr Reylands statements about Quirky are misleading, if the group owner will allow these facts to remain for the benefit of the inventors believing Mr Reylands misleading advice. It will only be facts
# 1 claim


"'' Quirky is a crowd sourcing site -that means many people put their ideas up on the site and quirky selects from the crowd. In Quirky's case they also allow for crowd input to your idea. This practice is a breeding grownd for co-inventor claims later, should the idea ever make it to market. ""
# 1 Fact


Quirky rarely patents inventions, so co-inventor is not an issue if it makes it to market, because co-inventor only applies to patents if its marketed by Quirky or anyone else. Also no one can be a co-inventor unless you use their input in your patent. Someone on Quirky cant just make comment saying " make it flip and reverse " they would have to explain how in detail on how this feature should work and the parts to be used to obtain their desired function. So if they do and you use it in your patent they are co-inventor and by law have to be listed as they should be. If they are listed have them assign the patent to you only, if not don't use it. Its a choice just like anyone that sees or discusses your invention with you.
# 2 Claim


""" So serious is this issue that many major manufacturers have started using what they refer to as a "Quirky Clause" (that is just the name people use, there are several sites like Quirky out there with the same effect) what the clause says is that you must disclose the use of a crowd sourcing site to them. If you do not,the contract is invalid."""
# 2 Fact


You have to do this with any company you potentially license with. You have to tell them who its been disclosed to publicly, you have to do this with the USPTO, you take an oath with your application to list if its been publicly disclosed. And we have been waiting 11 days now for the name of just 1 company that uses the " Quirky clause " and refers to it as that.
# 3 Claim


"" Additionally, posting unprotected ideas anyplace on the internet (including YouTube) is by all opinions considered public disclosure and instantly invalidates your international patent rights, while giving you only 12 months to secure your domestic rights. This may be an issue later if you are dealing with a global company or you fail to secure your domestic rights within that one year period. ""
# 3 Fact


This is the same for any company you show your idea to without a NDA if you don't have patent protection first. If I submit to any Manufacturer, DRTV company, Marketing company, submission company with out a patent application or NDA its exactly the same as Mr Reyland is describing here. And if you submit your idea without a NDA and have a PPA, you must file a NPA at the end of that year. If you use a NDA you can refile the PPA and get a new priority date if you aren't ready or cant afford the NPA yet.
A good Stewart here would have told you that as well.

"""But being a good steward of the inventor trust would mean they should tell you their system could result in this issue and that posting unprotected ideas on these sites is public disclosure and has an effect on your patent rights."""
# 4 Claim


""" I'm not saying don't use them, just that you should use all services within our industry knowing all the facts going in. """
# 4 Fact


Know all these claims and facts apply to all the sponsored UIA companies as well, even the Fund A Geek crowd sourcing site that the UIA helped developed. No exceptions.

SO I hope everyone can see all these facts apply to all companies and crowed sourcing sites as well as all individuals NOT JUST QUIRKY

1 day ago

Suzanne

Suzanne B. •Vicky,
It is not necessary to use profanity to express your opinion.
Thank you,
Suzie Baker

1 day ago

Vicky

Vicky L. •just so you know, andrew erlich a high ranking official at Quirky.Inc has been monitoring this thread and can pipe in if he wants. He just doesnt give a rats A - -, so you guys can bicker all you want. The truth is, Quirky could care less about the individual member in its community. Quirky is a privately held company, makes its own rules and does whatever the f- - - - it pleases. Censored for your pleasure Ms. Baker.

1 day ago

Suzanne

Suzanne B. •Thank you Vicky.

1 day ago

Linkedin

Linkedin M. •Here is something I find really amusing about the United Inventors Association inventors crowd funding site Fund A geek { Which has been extremely successful }.

It cant be copied by the paragraphs, so I will have to provide the link here.

http://www.fundageek.com/inventors/

The amusing part is the statement that ,

"""Using crowd funding sites to finance a patent does not give the donor any rights to your patent or standing as co-inventor """

But using Quirky does according to Mr Reyland, but crowd sourcing or crowd funding has 1 thing in common CROWD, meaning people that see your unprotected idea thus publicly disclosing it and the ability to comment and suggest. So according to him if someone gives you a suggestion on Fund a Geek they are not a co-inventor, but if they do on Quirky they are.

SO I would like to ask politely to Mr Reyland, what is the difference if they do it at Quirky opposed to doing the exact same thing at Fund a Geek.

And there is no mistake you are publicly describing your idea to obtain funding for a Patent application when using Fund a Geek. It says it here.

http://www.fundageek.com/inventors/Crowd_Funding_User_Guide.pdf

""""By investing this time and effort to explain your project and why the crowd should support it,
you are building a foundation that will serve you well on the rest of your journey. If you rush
this all-important step, you increase the possibility that someone who might have wanted to
support you doesn't respond. Without a strong case, he or she might not fully understand and
appreciate your invention and thus not support it."""

So to get the funding for stage 1 to file an application you have to publicly disclose it.
Why is this different from the risks you claim are associated with using Quirky Mr Reyland ?

Also you can view the inventions from the web without signing up or logging in at Fund a Geek. And if I give the inventor a suggestion outside the Fund a Geek site, via facebook or just looking them up and calling or emailing them, Im a co-inventor if they use my detailed suggestion. So what is the difference Mr Reyland ?

Why is it OK and advertised by the UIA to go to Fund a Geek and do it, but not OK anywhere else ?

And if we think about it and the reasoning for this confusion and selective sites its OK to do on and not others is. The ones that its OK according to Mr Reyland to publicly disclose and risk co-inventor possible contributors are sponsored by the UIA.

If they're not sponsored they are bad, yet you are doing exactly the same thing at the UIA sites as the others. Its OK to send your idea to TV goods unprotected and with no NDA because they are sponsored by the UIA { And TV goods dose NOT sign NDAs so the clock starts ticking right then and the same foreign filing rights are thrown out the window the same as Quirky } but its not OK to do with Quirky according to Mr Reyland.

Here is the real reason, Quirky will NOT pay the UIA for sponsorship so Mr Reyland speaks against them and misdirects information that makes Quirky look riskier than their sponsors. Everything he says about Quirky is being done by UIA sponsors but its OK because they pay to play in the UIA playground.

Every submission to Quirky and Edison nation that are low cost, higher success than any UIA sponsor is taking money away from UIA sponsors. And if the sponsored members are not benefiting from being a sponsored member are loosing money and sooner or later they will no longer pay the fee to be sponsored if they are not benefiting. They are not donating funding to the UIA to be good guys, they are doing it to benefit from the UIA members submitting to them.

So whats happens if there is no one to sponsor, the UIA funding stops ?

So he bashes them twist things around that apply to the UIA as well as the ones he accuses.

Please don't delete this so inventors can see it and be educated

23 hours ago

Vicky

Vicky L. •Well the short of the long point is, Quirky never makes your idea accessible because the minute after you submit an idea, the rest of the crowd adds their two cents. After the now changed idea is in serious consideration to go to shelves, now the quirky inhouse designers get to change it up a bit. So now, you submitted an invention, the crowed changed it up a bit, they get a little piece of your pie, the engineers change it up a bit and they get a piece of the pie, so your lucky to see your idea at all at the end of the process, because it has been switched up, changed, and designed by a group of people with no say of yours what so ever (unless you were lucky enough to be quick and add your two cents - which may or may not have been taken into consideration at all). Also, once you add your idea/invention to quirky, they own the ip rights for one year. Add to it the fact that your great idea of a lifetime is out in the open for everyone surfing the net to steal.

Crowdsourcing is not for people who care about or who want full influence over their Big Idea. What goes in does not come out.

21 hours ago

Mark T.

Mark T. R. •First off – for those of you who have not caught on yet, “LinkedIn M” is psychopath and cyber stalker John Young. Mr. Young has been permanently banned from LinkedIn, so in order to feed his urges he must now attack the UIA under fake profiles.

Mr. Young is a dangerous person, he and his friends regularly stalk inventors all over the internet. If he contact you please report it to your local police and send copies of the correspondence to LinkedIn hwo has been actively chasing these fake profiles for several months now.

As for Mr. Young’s allegations about the UIA and Quirky, like almost everything Mr. Young says, that’s a lie. We have not, do not, and will not, have any open dialogue with Quirky or any other crowd sourcing company. Such a relationship is not in the best interest of our members or of the inventing community in general given the dangers of using crowd sourcing systems.

16 hours ago

Linkedin

Linkedin M. •Once again a smoke screen to hide from answering, if Im Jon Young or Elvis the content of my comments you cant defend. So we have the childish display you have shown here today.

Just like proving Alexander wrong here on this thread, you can defend yourself, but at least he was smart enough to leave it be and not run crying to daddy.

Fact is the UIA has Fund A geek CROWD funding, the same as crowed sourcing, where everyone sees it and your clock starts ticking the same as with Quirky.

And you cant defend that. just more proof things are as I say.

Thank you for your intelligent and insightful response to my and Bernie's comments and questions.

14 hours ago

Linkedin

Linkedin M. •Here is the truth on how Quirky deals with IP.

When you submit an idea to Quirky, you grant them a license to your IP so that they can display the words and images of your submission on the website, then store it in their archive. Submitting your idea does not grant them rights beyond this.

If they select your idea for development, there will be a clear point where they will ask you to transfer ownership of all IP before they begin work on the project. If you wish to continue the project on your own and take back your IP, you'll have to make arrangements with the invention ambassadors and legal team if they have already begun your project.

So there is no IP risk to submit only if they choose the idea and design it and develop it and market it, just like any company that would invest in all of this work and expence they want to be assigned any and all IP rights even if they choose to patent it or not.


So you can go to the UIA Fund a Geek and have a less than low chance of getting funded while publicaly disclosing your idea and starting the same clock that you start when submitting to Quirky and throwing the same forgin filing rights out the window. Or submit to Quirky that chooses ideas to market WEEKLY.

What say you with alll your wisdon and undustry sucess Mr Reyland.

I will answer it for you and save the time, ITS JON I TELL YOU AND THEY ARE COMMING AFTER YOU, LOCK YOUR DOORS AND CALL THE COPS, POOR ME POOR ME WHERES MY MOMMY !

14 hours ago

John

John Y. •Mark Reyland, stop using my name every time someone questions you. I get sent sent several threads where you accuse everyone that you got a problem with as me.

Quit being a dam wimp and when people question you and leave me out of it. I'm turning in to your personal security blanket every time you get caught in lies. If you cant fight your battles don't start them, don't run around and self promote and act as you are some kind of industry success story. You are not, all of your businesses failed, you have nothing on the market never had and never will, no patents, no products nothing.

This is why you hate me so bad because I researched you and found all of this out, so you started sending private messages to group owners telling them I being investigated by the police and FBI, and don't say you didn't or I will come back and post one of the messages that a group owner shared with me. I suspect you have been sending harassing emails as me because I get emails from some anonymous email-er using email address so close to mine its hard to tell the real from fake. You started petitioning linked in to ban me and I suspect because linked in wont respond back to my requests as to why I was banned that you sent them harassing emails as me from these email addresses.

Don't forget you were caught as a fake profiler as recent as 2 years ago as Johnny Gee on Edison nation, but you won't address that as you wont address and accusations against you here or anywhere.

People are learning and realizing you are a joke and fake in this industry.

Your most recent induction to your UIA certified Medallion member list is proof you take anything that comes along and is willing to pay your price. Source Direct is a company that is DBA of Club Clean Its 1 man in a little office in Fl. I recently spoke to one of their former clients and he said " next time I will fly to China myself, every time I turned around they wanted more money than they quoted " And you put inventor's at great risk by promoting a company that is a little DBA acting as a large corporation. The owner didn't even know the name of the photo you posted on the UIA blog that showed a large building as their China distribution center. He post his suppliers as his offices all over the world. Please say Im lying I have every email to prove it and will gladly come back and post the proof.

Now you are here on a Quirky thread running your mouth with nothing to back it up, so you use me as your security blanket. You bash Edison Nation the same as Quirky and this is where your good buddy Roger Brown works, So If Edison Nation is a " Scam of the highest order " as you posted. Is your buddy Roger Brown working for a scam company ? Sorry Roger I don't mean to bring you in to it but I have to prove how stupid his claims are. Edison Nation makes licensing deals every time I read their forum thread. Every page has at least 3 deals congratulating inventors for their new deals. Same with Quirky new deals every week. Do you have just 1 UIA sponsored company that even dose close to this. Hell no, so shut up about what you are jealous of and that success you could never achieve. Truth is without the UIA you are nobody so you fight to hold on to the only thing you got here.

Everything I have ever posted about you is the truth and proof is shown.Now lets show all there inventors just 1 lie I told about you, just 1. Bring it on, I will come back and post the proof and facts and I know you don't want that. So if you want me off your back, keep my name out of your mouth.

My challenge is still on, post just 1 and I mean 1 lie about you or the UIA.

11 hours ago

John

John Y. •Continued.

Here is what you will say. " the UIA attorneys have told us not to respond to John Young and we will engage in no dialogue with him " But its OK with the UIA attorneys if you run around smearing my name. Think about that. And if there is a linked in investigation and a FBI investigation and Police Investigation they advise you to run linked in and use my name. Think about that.

Lets think about you Mark Reyland, you wont defend any of your statements when questioned. You only show up after looking horribly wrong and start this stalker crap of yours. Think about how this makes you look to inventors. Why do you think your posts here get little or no comments, because inventors are learning you are a con man and the UIA is no longer a reputable organization. Source Direct proves that. Look at who you put as your submissions director. Joe Fournier You picked him up from Edison Nation less than a year ago as a new inventor posting a discussion about who to trust. Now he is in charge of Vetting new companies for the UIA, Here again Source Direct is a great example of his discretion and your placement of a drug addicted new inventor. And yes he is addicted to Norco and Valium, he told me on the phone.

So everyone that is a UIA sponsor is a great resource for inventors, you aren't just bringing them for cash. But you have the nerve to bash resources that are low cost and have a GREAT track record of success.

OH and by the way your new company Source Direct claims a 100% success rate from start to finish if you use them. I have proof of that statement also.

MARK is this true you have a submission company with a 100% success rate? Please say I'm lying about this.

As for me I will neither confirm or deny being linked in member, Ill leave you to wonder about that. But anytime I want to come back, here I am, so remember that next time you use my name and think I wont find out about it.

Here is some proof for the inventors.

http://uialiesreyland.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2013-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated-max=2014-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max-results=1

Sorry Brian Rayve, I had to do it he asked for it.

11 hours ago

Vicky

Vicky L. •John, thats not true. As soon as your idea goes to Live Eval Quirky chooses it, bam, there is no signing or anything stop confusing the facts. I would appreciate it. I am a three time Crowned Quirky Inventor. John Young, you really are going off topic this is not about M.Reyland, this topic is about Quirky.com and inventors. You pretty much hijacked the Quirky thread its not called the John Young thread. If you want to hijack more threads, you have the whole Quirky.com forum for yourself. Furthermore, if you cared about inventors at all John, you would have stuck up for my own cause from the beginning on Quirky.com. LOL You make a great Quirky member John, and fall into the rest of the quirky Ratpack. Real Quirky Inventors: Buyer Beware.

9 hours ago

John

John Y. •Vicky.

I have no idea what you are going on about that I said about Quirky. I referred to Quirky 3 times in my comment and I didn't say anything about "Eval or signing". And I have no idea what your "Cause" was or is. And I wouldn't be here if I wasn't called out by Reyland, and wouldn't be back if not called out by you and accused of "Hijacking ". So if you have something to say to me or something you want me to know, then email me at tandjyoung@att.net. And if its not the John young thread then keep my name out and there is no reason for me to be here. Mark Reyland is making it about me so its not about him.

7 hours ago

Vicky

Vicky L. •John, i just need to add that it is unprofessional to voice private information such as "medication another person is using", in any open forum or online without the other person's knowledge.

7 hours ago

John

John Y. •Vicky,

Please use the email address i left here is you have anymore comments for me, you are turning this in to the John Young thread not me, you and Mark Reyland are the ones talking about me here I'm only responding.

As for listing a persons medication abuse, yes its unprofessional if its just Joe the inventor, but its not when its Joe the UIA director of company sponsors. If Joe Biden was abusing prescription medication and represent the United States while doing it, we all have a right to know and the media would report it. Same here, Joe is staff of the United inventors Association and represents inventors, so inventors have a right to know.

If you want to get in to unprofessionalism, you need to redirect your comment to Mark Reyland, he represents the UIA very poorly slandering my name and my friends who none of us ever contacted any inventor to harass them, never. I have emailed the UIA many times but only UIA email addresses never their private ones. Ive never called or emailed anyone's family as he claimed in the past. So its OK for a professional to act this way but its not for just an average guy defending his name.

Remember I wouldn't be here right now if it weren't for you and Mark Reyland calling me out, you 2 are turning this in to the John Young thread and having it " Hijacked " away from its original topic, not me.

So please email me privately if you need any further correspondence with me.

I am curious about your " cause you mentioned, because I have no idea what it is because I'm less than 2 months new at Quirky.

Thank you.

2 hours ago

Mark T.

Mark T. R. •Do you want to see what John Young and his friends do behind the scenes? here is an email I received from them just this morning as retaliation for this thread - they have hidden behind this email for several years now. These are dangerous people and you should report any contact with them (John Young, Troy Robison, and Derek Pater) to the police.

From: Zorro Bull [mailto:zorro_pitbull@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:08 AM
To: mark@uiausa.org;
Subject: SUSAN HOGAN

Well we talked to your daughter and ex Susan. According to them you're the Bi-Polar one and a looser full of yourself. You were also a PC's of SHIT FATHER TO ALL YOU'RE CHILDREN.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

We also here Debra's divorcing you're MORON FAT ASS. Someone else is CHARMING her in Kentucky :) Hopefully it's someone that will take care of her needs and LOVE her since you cant . LIMP DICK :)- Yes we were told you're a LIMP DICK. Because you're to FUCKING FAT from all the CHEESEBURGERS & DIET SODA you slam down in you're DARK BASEMENT OFFICE and UIA road trips.

Why don't you stop eating the burgers and loose some weight ASSHOLE. Or MAYBE invent a contraption to stretch your Lonely LITTLE LIMP DICK PECKER. You seem to do pretty good with your tongue explaining the inventor industry. Why didn't you use it on her, Oh we no because you love to lap on Roger's butt hole :)

You're CUMMING to the end of the road MORON. The only women that will be left in your life will be the pictures in you're DARK BASEMENT.

Google Mark Reyland and his LIMP DICK. You will have a chuckle

55 minutes ago

John

John Y. •Mark Reyland,

THAT IS A FLAT LIE AGAIN. That did not come from me or any of my friends. Its a fake email address that you made and authored in an attempt to have this thread deleted for the profanity you could have edited and still made the point.

This thread is destroying you and you will do and say anything to have it gone. Nice try, and I hope the group owner lets it remain to show how desperate your are.

And if I sent that or any of my friends call the cops like you tell everyone else. But you didn't you post your made up email with all it profanity to see and a reason to delete the thread.

Please Brian if you would do me any personal favor now is the time. please don't delete this thread just delete his comment and let him post an edited version.

Mark you are loosing your mind and proving it right here for all to witness.

35 minutes ago